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Hi Kevin,
ok thanks for the additional details. I think I´m slowly getting an idea.
- So first of all, your settings & pattern look fine to me, I´ve had them running here for hours on one machine and there was no problem so far.
- secondly, from what you desscribe it could very well be some sort of Midi Feedback.
You mentioned using the Midi Through on the Zaquencer. Could it be that you route Midi back to the beginning of your setup (either PC or Zaq)? This way it might be that there is a Midi loop happening. I have noticed something like this some months ago, also it could become very high pitched with me when using the Zaquencer´s transpose function (the incoming note transposes the outgoing note => if that loops, the outgoing gets higher and higher).
It could very well be that your former sequencer did break the loop, but the Zaquencer is set to Midi-Through and this may be why it´s happening.For troubleshooting, can you please do a very simple setup: Zaq Out => Synthesizer In
(and nothing else connected).
This way you make absolutely certain that there is no funky stuff happening inside the Zaquencer. Also it would be helpful if you could detail your Midi setup a bit further, maybe in a diagram?Cheers!
Ok, great to hear that it worked!
Please keep in mind though that using USB for installing the Zaquencer is a one-way-street.
The USB mode will be disabled with the Zaquencer firmware so it´s a good idea to find a working Midi-USB solution for updates or rollbacks.Cheers!
Hey Alien,
I have a few ideas for new projects, but nothing really to talk about so far.I´m still focused on working on the Zaquencer at the moment when developing, so that should be good news for Zaquencer owners
Hi Rob,
I have noticed this behaviour with some Midi interfaces that just did not want to work for sending the large SysEx strings. Not only cheap ones, for example also with the RME FF400.
Which ones have you tried on top of the Roland UM ONE?Some users have reported better luck with the free Elektron C6 software for uploading the firmware: http://eu.elektron.se/support/?connection=accessories (click “Downloads”).
Cheers!
No worries, thanks for sending the files!
I´ve looked at them and have a Zaquencer here running with your settings to try and reproduce the error.I´ve noticed that you have clock out enabled for outputs A/B, so in any case the output lights will be on, because the Zaquencer is sending the clock. Can you please disable that in the Global menu (encoder 3) and see if the output lights are still on when the string of notes appears. As a follow up question, can you make the random notes stop by pressing “stop/play”?
Regarding the midi monitoring program, are you on Mac or PC? On Mac there is the simple “Midi Monitor”, on PC I recommend “Midi OX”, both are free. Once you had a look at them, feel free to ask again if you can´t make the monitoring work.
Hi Kevin,
ok thanks for the added information.
Two quick & easy things come to my mind for you to try:
- you can try to reflash the firmware (same or also previous version as a try), sometimes that gets rid of weird behaviour
- you can try to reinit your patterns & global settings (hold page< and stop/play during startup). This will restore all the original settings, so make sure you have saved/recorded any patterns that you want to keep.On top of that, please read my last 2 posts thoroughly, where I have already given some pointers how to further narrow down your error. I like to help you, but I´m dependant on your information in this case. Especially:
- which tracks do the random notes originate from? check the dots in the LCD in the mixer menu. Tracks that are just sending notes will flash the dot in the mixer menu.
- does the string of 16th notes stop after a short time, or does it keep playing? If it does, for how long?
- Can you please export your pattern and global settings through the SysEx export and send an email with the files to support[at]zaqaudio[dot]com
- Do you have the possibility of looking at the note data in a midi monitor software?
- you can try switching out the Midi cables/connections and see if that might help.Please let me know if any of those points are unclear or if you need more information to go through with them.
Cheers!
ChristianHi Kevin,
thanks for sharing your further investigation!
Another question I had, does the string of 16th notes stop after a short time, or does it keep playing? If it does, for how long?I want to try and recreate your behaviour here and would need your support to do it.
Can you please export your pattern and global settings through the SysEx export and send an email with the files to support@zaqaudio.com?
Also what you´ve found out is a great start, bould it would be awesome if you would find a way to reliably repeat the behaviour. This would make it much easier to recreate here.Some more thoughts:
Do you have the possibility of looking at the note data in a midi monitor software?
Most of the times we´ve gotten good leads from that.And a last idea: sometimes, seldomly, we´ve noticed strange behaviour with inferior cables/interfaces. Maybe you can try switching out the Midi connections and see if that might help.
Ok… yep by output LEDs I meant the A/B lights.
For troubleshooting, maybe you could remove the Quadra Through. It´s always best to reduce components when looking for an error.It would be interesting to know if the random notes appear when you press a button, or by themselves. Also once they´re there, to troubleshoot you can check which track ond output they originate from. For the output as we said check the A/B lights, for the track you can check the dots in the LCD in the mixer menu. Tracks that are just sending notes will flash the dot in the mixer menu.
Please report back when you know more and we can try to help further.
Cheers!Hi Kevin,
hm no I haven´t heard of this before.
Which version of the Zaquencer are you running?
Is the behaviour repeatable or totally random?Is there anything between the synth and the output of the Zaquencer?
When it happens, does the output LED of the Zaquencer light up?There is two features which could in theory create those kind of notes, “Note Repeat” and “Ratcheting/Delay” (a subfeature of the Midi CC). Have you made sure that these aren´t the culprits and that they are turned off?
I´ve sent you an email.
Cheers!Wow, that ratcheting feature is amazing! It does exactly what I need!
Ha, awesome! Happy that it fits your bill
Cool, thanks already for the update!
Cool! Happy to hear it´s solved, and Alien, thanks anyway for giving advice!
Hi Arno,
ok too bad that the problem did not go away with the update…I only have one other idea, you could look at the Midi data in a Midi monitor software to make absolutely sure the CC comes first. If that´s the case (sounds like it by what you wrote about the filter) then I´m afraid there is not much I can do about this.
Oh, on a very different idea, you wrote “I’m using the arpeggiator in the Nord to repeat notes”. Have you considered using the Zaquencer´s ratcheting for that effect? Maybe you can work around having to use the Arpeggiator of the Nord.
Way out there, I know, but it might be worth a shot Hi Arno,
the CC messages are being sent before the note messages.
This is right in theory and I have just verified this here again with the Zaquencer, also switching between two patterns.Which Zaquencer version are you using? There has been a bug fix in 1.04 regarding the message priorities. It was mainly NoteOn/NoteOff prorities, but the bug might have affected the order of CC messages as well. So if you haven´t updated yet, I´d recommend trying with 1.042 first.