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Hi Rob,
yes you´re right, the LEDs look like standard 3mm red LEDs.When exchanging colors, please bear in mind that some colors need different operating voltages. I think red, green and yellow are very similar and exchangable, but blue and white differ from those in requirements.
Cool, Flavio, thanks already!
P.S. the PEC12R-4030F-S0024 seems to be available on Mouser, but it´s 20 Euro for shipping to Germany, so I´m not gonna order these just yet. If anyone else is trying these, I would be very happy to hear about your experience!
Hi Flavio,
it looks like you have ordered exactly the right encoders.
I have received the Bourns push encoders I ordered and they are not an exact match I´m afraid.
Here is a comparison between the Bourns and the original one that I´ve just desoldered:
https://flic.kr/p/zzTKeh (top: original; bottom: Bourns replacement)You see that the shaft is shorter on the replacement one. This wouldn´t be a problem for regular encoders as the encoder is still sticking out nicely so that the cap can be firmly seated on it. The problem is with the push function, because the cap touches the plastic chassis first, before cleanly triggering the push. Sometimes it triggers the push (it´s right on the edge, when fully pressed) but it´s not a satisfactory solution.
I´ve tried disassembling the encoders to exchange shafts maybe, but no luck, they are not compatible: https://flic.kr/p/zB7arG
It´s not so visible in the pic, but the base of the original shaft is just a little thicker so it doesn´t fit with the Bourns.I´ve soldered it into the BCR for testing regardless.
Other than the above, the action feels nice on the new encoder, very spiffy, more responsive but not necesesarily faster than the originals. It has very little physical inertia and it that regard it feels more like the encoders of my BCR from 2004. The original encoder that I exchanged had a problem (compared to the other original ones it moved very unreliably, and you had to turn it really slow to make it react), and the Bourns encoder completely got rid of that problem.
I think if one were to find the Bourns with the 30mm shaft (they weren´t available on RRS online, where I ordered) then it might work nicely with the push function too. What´s really weird is that the original encoder looks like it has a shaft length of 25mm. Even though I ordered the 25mm shaft length from Bourns (it´s the correct part according to the individual bags that they are packed with), it obviously only has 20mm shaft length (see pic link above).
Hm, in the description of your encoder above it said L:30mm.
That´s how I figured that this is the right length?
The pictures are not always accurate, maybe that´s the issue?Hi htk,
thank you too for your research work!
I´ve looked them over and they seem to be the correct ones, except for the shaft that is 25mm instead of 30mm. But this should not matter in practice.
I have just ordered 10 each of the PEC12R-4025F-S0024 and PEC12R-4025F-N0024 from RS online:
http://de.rs-online.com/web/p/mechanische-drehgeber/7899630
http://de.rs-online.com/web/p/mechanische-drehgeber/7899649I´ll report back as well when they´re here if they fit and work nicely.
Great times! Between these and Flavios find of the original ones we should be set with replacement options for the BCR´s encoders, will know more soon.By the way, in this thread the choice of the Bourns gets confirmed:
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/bc2000/conversations/topics/5004
It just wasn´t clear if the user actually tried them out himself, but no matter, I will try soon.Hm, good idea… maybe it can be implemented. I was thinking how to do it that it still also works as a dedicated mode and I could imagine it to work like this:
- start by pressing down mixer button
- when releasing the button without having pressed anything else, switch to mixer mode like normal
- when pressing a channel or drum button before releasing the mixer button, leave mixer mode on depressing the mixer buttonthat way you could have both modes of operation on the same button.
I can´t say at the moment. I haven´t started working at the feature yet and I do not know yet what´s possible.
Oh sorry, I guess I wasn´t so clear. The way it works now is basically overdub mode. It doesn´t erase anything unless there is a new note coming in. To erase a step you have to hold tap delete while it´s playing. What you ask for drum mode is already possible, to record the individual drum instruments in multiple passes. The only thing is that while recording, the notes are always quantized to the step raster. You can apply note delay afterwards though.
Hi Flavio,
please allow me to quote/translate you from the other forum, sequencer.de:
@ALL: TRIPLEX Service GmbH apparently found the right Push-Encoders. Encoder VE-EC12E24144 ENC;12mm;PUL:24;L:30mm;W/SW is the type number. The normal encoders without push function are Encoder VE-ED1214B/D24/L30/WO/V6
Thank you for your research work!!
Have you ordered from them already? Would be nice to have confirmation that these are the right ones and work fine…
Hi htk,
thank you for sharing your thoughts!I do not have detent encoders here to test, but I have built an alternative version for Egor and he wanted to report back how it works with them.
The version I´ve built reads the encoders at half speed, it should hopefully work with the detented encoders. I would not want to make that the default version though, because you need double the number of turns to cover the whole value range of an encoder and this feels a bit slow for regular use.
Also, I´ve read in another forum that Flavio has aparently found the right encoders without detents:
@ALL: TRIPLEX Service GmbH apparently found the right Push-Encoders. Encoder VE-EC12E24144 ENC;12mm;PUL:24;L:30mm;W/SW is the type number. The normal encoders without push function are Encoder VE-ED1214B/D24/L30/WO/V6All great ideas! I´ll see what I can squeeze in.
Hi guys,
Is there any chance this can be used to repeat steps like a system 100 sequencer? … it changes the length of the sequence when you add repeats.
Unfortunately, this is not in the cards. The steps are absolute in time position throughout the whole sequencer design. It would mean a major redesign to make them relative to the prior step.
any clues on functionality?
The way it´s designed now is like in version B (see page 2 in this thread). You select ratcheting as a midi controller (alpha and/or beta) in the main menu and then you have 127 predefined ratcheting modes to select per step. Not all of these will be filled at release of the feature. The way it is now is that the last digit of the parameter setting denotes the nr of repeats (1-9, with “0″ meaning, repeat til the next step) and the first two digits denote the mode. The mode so far means the distance between repeats (counted in midi ticks), so the higher you set this, the longer the repeats will be spaced apart. I´m not sure yet how many distance settings are really needed, and I´m trying out what modes make sense at the moment.
Yes, a surprise!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DY-HDMWxEsM
A little preview for 1.04:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DY-HDMWxEsM